Knowing I am off topic, I have requested a list of ALL neighborhoods. I couldn't find the total list, and this was the closest match I could think of.
I won't bore you with the reasons, but although a Christian, right now I find myself somewhat a square peg in a round hole when it comes to church involvement. I do go occasionally with my more active husband, but am finding most of my needs met and opportunities to serve elsewhere rather than in the church. Having given church a good long try (many many years) I am feeling pretty good about somewhat going it alone. I know already that churched Christians do not agree that this is O.K. I am interested in hearing from other unchurched Christians or uncongregating believers of any religion on how they find this experience.
Cockapoowalker, i'm new to the nh my name is Lisa, so.. looks like our Lord is pointing you down another path that he needs you in.Praise God! Churchs are great form of spiritual strengh,remember "where two or more are gathered in my name..there will I be." I'm very involved with my Church and fellowship.We can have a personal relationship with God on our own also. Do not be discouraged..follow your heart that is where Jesus is. keep your Bible close at hand, Keep Jesus in your heart, and don't worry so much about the others...its between you and God,he has another task for you right now. Thankyou Jesus. GodBless you and your loved ones. Lisa
I do not have a church of 4 walls at this time. It is ok to have a transition period. If the church you are going to is not feeding you spiritually, then you do not belong there. Just as long as you continue to feed yourself by spending time in the Word of God. And spending time with Jesus through prayer. It is also necessary to find Christian friends that can encourage you in your journey. Blessings! Debby
Back in my young days I had a time when I felt why be connected to a Church, you are locked down, they are denominations, the Church is you not 4 walls. This went for many years. Here is what I have found, There is a song you can't go to Church because the Church is you (DC Talk) You can go to a community of believers which as per Paul is also the Church. Here is why we go to Church, If you find the right Church you are provided with encouragement. Many people in America especially are afraid of this we are brought up independent self reliant, why do I need another person to encourage me. If you do not need encouragement, but Christ is leading someone to encourage you are you not judging if Christ feel you need the encouragement. Second reason to go to Church is accontability, we are sinners we all fall short, Christ uses those as we gather to help us through our times of need. They can help with progressing in our walk with Christ. Third, Tithing, yes I know man the Church always wants our money, no this is different this is the 10 percent Christ calls us to give. If you have not tried to give the 10 percent and yes there is big time trials because the enemy will tempt all of us, but it is anothe area of life growing through in order to say God I am trusting you not myself. There are many other reasons that all are backed up as per Corinthians, Phillipians and Hebrews, Paul speaks about our call to being part of a community of believers. Here is the biggest thing I leave this message with, when we go to Church we are not the audience, the Pastor is not the audience, God is out audience, we go to Church to please God, to worship to Praise to glorify him, he is our audience, if we place our attention on I am here at Church to seek you Christ to worship you to seek you. Watch the difference on how Christ will work in life, better hold on though it is an awesome wild ride. Love In Christ, Matt
Once last thought, I said locked down, ever since I have become part of a community of believers we have been everything except locked down. We have had the opportunity to travel, we have had the opportunities to go out and help others, Being part of a Church has astually opened us up to not being locked down. Hope all this helped. Matt
I understand where you are coming from Matt. Some church families can be very healthy and encouraging. But this was not the case for me. I felt their religion & doctrine was holding me back from what God has called me to do. I have found other Christians to Love & encourage me, that do not put boundaries on what I or God are capable of. We all were sinners, but now as Born again believers are new creatures in Christ Jesus. I also tithe to the ministries that are the source of my spiritual food. Kenneth Copeland, Jesse Duplantis, Creflo Dollar, etc. My mother has her judgemental eye on my lack of 'church" attendance, but I have peace with Jesus and that is what matters. Blessings! Debby
I attend church every Sunday and have not missed a Sunday in some 8 years. I find the music to be my guiding light, songs exulting God. My wife, sister, step-daughter and daughter are all devout Christians who live life by the Scriptures. I find church going to be what makes life interesting...however I can understand your desire to "go it alone." In some ways we all have to walk the path which the good Lord maps out for us. For me the journey is easier walking with God in the method I have chosen...and like me; you seem to have found the right path in the way you worship Him. God speed and safe journey.
Greetings back to you Lisa...unlike the Coffee Clutch Room I view this room as being a sanctuary where all can make their comments and each individual can read an appreciate those who have commented...sort of an island in a stormy sea. I have found my nitch in life and am happy with the dirrection I have taken. Like Martin Luther said during his tribunal..." My conscious is to the word of God, I cannot, I shall not recant anything, for to go against God is neither right nor safe, so here I stand, I cannot do otherwise." To that I say...go with God, you can't go wrong with Him. By the way I love Robin Mark, Mahala Jackson, Amy Grant, and who can forget Selah's "Light of the Stable"...and the Gregorian Plain Chants
Hi! For Christians, the New Testament is clear on the absolute need to be a part of a local congregation of the universal church. The verse someone used, "where 2 or more are gathered in my name, there am I" is in context of *congregational* discipline in Matt 18. The very verse used to justify not being a part of a 'church' (more accurately, a body or congregation of the universal church) is the opposite of what it is used incorrectly for. If one is not a part of a local congregation, what Jesus says to do cannot really be done, when a professing Christian wants to 'go it alone', as well. The Book of Acts shows Christians in corporate meetings, "*continuing* in the apostle's *doctrine* [sound teaching] in breaking of bread, in fellowship, and prayer". Acts 13, etc., speaks about it, as well. 1 Cor 12:28 says "God has set some in the church" & includes teachers, pastors. Acts has, according to many, the first mention of deacons in the 7 set apart to help, 1 & 2 Timothy speaks of pastors, deacons in the local congregations. Paul didn't tell the Corinthians that if the church didn't shape up, go at it "alone". He wrote to bring sound doctrine & practice to it, but never said, or hinted, to separate from it. We see in Titus 1:5 Paul having Titus to appoint elders/pastors in every church/congregation, and in 1:9 for those elders to both encourage with *sound* doctrine (not what sounds nice, or similar to Tony Robbins), and to *refute* those who contradict sound doctrine. Acts 20 speaks of elders as those who shepherd the flock. Then Hebrews 10:25 plainly says not to forsake the gathering of "ourselves *together*, as *is* the manner of *some*, so much more, as you see the day approaching.". Hebrews 13:17 speaks of obeying your congregational leaders, but in the context of those servant-leaders speaking the word of God (13:7), not error. No one is perfect, but that is no excuse to disobey the Bible while professing to be a Christian. Please go to the Bible Gateway website, and type in "one another" in quotes in the 'look up passage' selection, using the King James Version (I say the KJV, because the wording may be different in other translations). Please then note how much 'body life' permeates the teachings of the New Testament for Christians. I differ with one who posted, in that I don't believe tithing transferred to the church, but I do believe in giving. I would never give to DuPlantis, Copeland, Hagin, etc., because I have studied differences with them on the whole Word of Faith teachings (See charismatic Christian author, DR McConnell, "A Different Gospel", as one source), & I don't think money should be siphoned to other ministries, that would have gone to a local church fellowship (with the Bible's elders/pastors as the undershepard). After giving to the work of a local church, it's cool to give to sound ministries. There is no "correctly interpreted" (2 Tim 2:15) passages that tell Christians to skip meeting together with an elder, or elders, etc. It is the antithesis of the whole of NT doctrine concerning this issue. Please check out area churches, and carefully pick one that is sound in doctrine, biblically balanced, and have fellowship, grow, contribute, and further the work of that church in your area. Jesus said, "IF you love me, you *will* keep my commandments." It isn't that "churched Christians" disagree. it's that the Bible does, which is to be the final standard for all areas of Christian living (Acts 17:11, 2 Tim 3:16-17, Ps 119). One Christian here said, "I have peace with Jesus and that is what matters", but is that really biblical? No. That is using a subjective feelings as the standard, it seems. This is not from a biblical worldview. Mormons (I am ex-Mormon), New Agers, and other non-Christians in society use feelings as the standard, but that is a false standard for the Christian. Feelings have a place, but the biblical Christian will use the Bible as the supreme and final standard to keep their feelings in check with the Bible, not the other way around. Also check the "one another" verses, as well as a number of passages in Proverbs on the correctness to hear others' views, not dismissing them as "judgmental", when that term is way misused in the church (somewhat like how 'tolerance' is misued among non-Christians, and unfortunately some Christians). The Bible says not to judge hypocritically, or do so without making sure you are also dealing with yourself (See carefully the entire chapter of Matt. 7, where it goes on to actually say to judge- decide true from the false- in claimed prophets, etc). Jesus said in John 7:24, "Do not judge from outward appearances, but judge righteous judgment." It isn't that a professing Christian "feels good" about being unchurched, it is what does the Bible say, and what is their response to it. "Jesus also said, "Why do you call me Lord, and do not do the things that I say?" 1 Samuel 15:22, "To obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken is more important than the fat of rams."
I am or should I say was un-churched. I do not go to a "brick and mortar" church often. Mostly because of my work schedule. So I joined a "Webchurch" that has been of great help take a peek at the intro site. http://www.extremeprophetic.com/
Patricia King is, I think, friends with Todd Bentley & he has really fallen big. She has tried to put the blame on his fall on US & because some speak negatively about him (and for VERY good reason!). This is just putting a guilt trip on those who share why they are concerned about Bentley, and her false claim can help to both stifle warning about false teachers & teachings, and keep others from even considering what is said. The Bible warns about false teachers/prophets/apostles/teachings and also commands Christians to do the same: Deut 13 & 18, Matt 7:15; 24:24, Acts 20:28-32, 1 Corinthians (doctrinal & moral), 2 Cor 11:3-5, 13-15, all of Galatians, Eph 5:10-11, Titus 1:9, Jude 3, Rev 1-3, including Rev. 2:2, etc. It is spiritually & intellectually dangerous to adopt such an idea as she uses to shut the mouths of Christians seeking to discern & warn others of false teachings in the church (which Paul also did in Acts 20), and to close minds and hearts against even listening to them.. The idea that words themselves have supernatural power in and of themselves & these words from others can supposedly supernaturally/demonically/magically cause someone to fall is also taking full responsibility off of the fallen leader, and sounds like the liberal 'victimhood' cry too often used in society. It seems she takes that idea from Word of Faith teachings about positive/negative confession & words can create reality, etc. Please read DR McConnell's book, "A Different Gospel". He's a charismatic Christian who is deeply concerned with the Word of Faith movement that is in so much of the charismatic/pentecostal section of the universal church (Unfortunately, Joel Osteen uses Word-Faith teachings in his talks & materials, as does Joyce Meyer). Patricia King & those like her use very strange, unbiblical, even perhaps anti-biblical things & teachings. Please beware & be careful on what teachers & church you go to, and get fed by. If you can't get to a local congregation regularly, doesn't mean you won't be able to get there sometimes, and maybe in addition, other good studies and other fellowship opportunities.There are sound biblical teachers from charismatic & non-charismatic circles (Calvary Chapel/Church Smith for charismatic, John MacArthur, Chuck Swindoll for non-charismatic. Please be a part of a Bible-based & responsible, local congregation when you can. When you can't, listen & feed from sound teachers, & seek Christian fellowship as you can. One may use an 'online church' if it is sound, and one cannot get to a local congregation, but the Bible has the full picture of what is best- personal attendance, activity, in a local congregation. If you like a church, but can't make it on a regular basis, many churches have their sermons online. When people let themselves rely on the extreme emotional, and even less, that is a recipe for problems. That's why the Bible says, "The HEART is deceitful above ALL things, and desperately wicked" (Jer.). Emotions can be manipulated a lot. For Christians, use your mind through evidence and accurate Bible study (2 Tim 2:15) to test ALL things (Acts 17:11, 2 Thess 5:21), and use that to guard and guide your heart and emotions that come from it.
PATRICIA KING/EXTREME PROPHETIC: Patricia King Speaks Out on Todd Bentley http://slaughteringthesheep.wordpress.com/2008/08/16/patricia-king-speaks-out-on-todd-bentley/
Patricia King -Encouraging Ekstasis Trance Dancing www.deceptionbytes.com/PatriciaKing-Ekstasis
First Plumbline Apologetics ~ Patricia King The Blue Flame www.firstplumbline.net/html/patriciakingtheblueflame.html
TODD BENTLEY: Todd Bentley the Highly Inaccurate "Prophet" www.alittleleaven.com/2008/05/todd-bentley-th.html
Todd Bentley / Fresh Fire Ministries www.apologeticsindex.org/681-todd-bentley-fresh-fire-ministries
The Violent Word of God www.youtube.com/watch?v=exb53K2v4pk&eurl=http://anabaptist.lifewithchrist.org/permalink/41468.html
Board: Todd Bentley has entered into an unhealthy relationship on an emotional level with a female member of his staff Religion News Blog, Amsterdam, Netherlands Aug. 16, 2008 http://www.religionnewsblog.com/22083/todd-bentley-relationship
Todd Bentley, a sad state of affairs (with updates) http://markjberry.blogs.com/way_out_west/2008/08/todd-bentley-a.html
Bentley & King: Todd Bentley - Fresh Fire Ministries - exporting extremism from Canada www.benedictionblogson.com/2008/05/07/todd-bentley-fresh-fire-ministries-exporting-extremism-from-canada/
NEW APOSTOLIC REFORMATION- P King part of it (?): New Apostolic Reformation - Research resources www.apologeticsindex.org/722-new-apostolic-reformation
Apologetics Index is an excellent resource to check out teachings & teachers inside & outside of the church. Nothing can compensate for a local, biblically sound, congregational connection when you can make it. Please read my first post. Harry
Unlike you I am a church going non-believer. I go because my wife is a church going Christian and I mean a Christian’s Christian. She goes to some type of a church gathering at least 5 times a week. As for you being a Christian church attendee or non-attendee, that must be left up to your Christian brothers and sisters to pass judgment. I have no problem with my wife going to church every day of the week...and she allows me to go my own way, however every once in a while she leaves a Christian tract on my pillow for me to study for the purpose of me getting straight with the Lord. To which I say, Praise God...because I do believe in God